Perhaps Pierrepoint … Perhaps Pierrepoint looked just like that.
I know for sure most of the actress in this film playing the “hangees” looked nothing like the real murderesses.
I’m sure their … I’m sure their poverty leads to plenty of depression, most of which probably goes untreated. I doubt they have much psychopathy though.
They don’t have (many) big corporations instilling them with a win at all costs grandeur delusion, you see.
Yeah, see you pal, I thought you’d be too narrow minded to draw a link between a culture espousing greed and a personality disorder characterised by greed.
Per ca pita, how … Per ca pita, how much psychological help you think they have in India and Pakistan?
Due to your radical ideas regarding the death penalty we really have nothing further to discuss. Best of luck with your windmill joust.
Psychopathy is prob … Psychopathy is prob. caused by complex interplay of genes (incl. epigenetics) and environment. US culture (& anglo-saxon culture in general) is macho, individualistic and brutal. I don’t see why the idea that such a culture could produce high. rates of a disorder characterised by extreme selfishness, violent/ unethical behaviours and prevalent in males should be so controversial.
Can’t comment on … Can’t comment on swedish suicide rates, or what it may be attributable to. We’re talking about US prevalence of psychopathy and associated disorders, and the evidence is it’s higher in individualistic countries such as the US (and UK!) than in those with more communal cultures (e.g. far east).
No it’s an estimate … No it’s an estimate but it’s based on obersvation. Other studies have shown a marked increase in narcissistic character traits in US college students since 1987.
You’re bringing up a generation whose entire raison d’etre is to ruthlessly consume, what do you expect to happen?
Look at reality TV, or the apprecntice – these effectively advertise the “benefits” of being a manipulative, self aggrandising creep.
I think you’re … I think you’re deluding yourself. The US is a more violent society than other developed nations, with the possible exception of the UK, which is even more violent than the US if one excludes gun crime and murder. The UK has a very similar dog-eat dog culture – in fact we invented it and exported it to you.
Again, same as with … Again, same as with your crime statistics, does that 4% actually represent an increase over other nations or does it represent a society that is good at finding them and getting them on the books so they can get some type of therapy or at least be tracked in some way.
Sweden has the highest suicide rate of any nation. If there was ever a key indicator of the hopelessness you describe it would be there yes? What’s their reported rate of mental illness? 4%? Higher? Lower?
Yup… I’m for real … Yup… I’m for real. You look at the countries that are serious about law enforcement and you’ll quickly see that these types of crimes are close to if not exactly the same when measured against population. So saying “probably has” won’t cut it without hard numbers. If you look at the web page for the British judicial hangings you’ll see a whole string of serial killers from the early 1900’s.
So basically your argument carries no weight.
Look the US … Look the US probably does have more violent crime than other developed countries.
It also has a higher incidence of psychopathy than some other countries – about 4% (or 12 million or so, so most aren’t in jail – they might be in the senate or a hedge fund).
This is not all explained by genetics. Americans are not different from other people.
Are you for real? … Are you for real? So America’s crime rate is down to the fact that you catch the crims whereas all those other developed nation police forces either don’t or lie about it?
Actually what the … Actually what the US is doing right is finding them where other countries simply deal with the fact that people “disappear”. No one just “disappears” inthe us. You don’t have some corrupt official simply telling the family that a person “left the country” when they are just another body under their brother in law’s house.
But again, this isn’t about “some creep”, it’s about some creep with a fridge full of heads.
Half of america … Half of america thinks society = socialism, and by stringing these nobodies up you’re revocating your societal responsibility for creating these serial killers.
Hardly any American I’ve spoken to can fathom the idea that these people might be a product of their environment – it’s all the responsibility of the individual.
There’s more of these creeps in the US than anywhere else, so you must be doing something wrong.
“stop dancing?!” … “stop dancing?!” Bernie Madoff is most likely a diagnosable psychopath, as was Jeff Skilling, Andy Fastow, Dick Fuld, Denis Koslowski, Sam Waksal and a load of others (George Bush? Dick Cheney?).
At one of your society you’re stringing these maladjusted creeps up, at the other your dog eat dog culture allows them to prosper, so long as they don’t (directly, at least) kill anyone.
It’s called having your cake and eating it.
Dregs with a … Dregs with a basement full of bodies. Stop dancing and trying to make it sound like Bernie Madoff was responsible for the beltway sniper or Ted Bundy.
These people did what they did due to selfish motivation ant a total disregard for humanity.
Because of this, the vast majority of people want capital punishment to be an option.
I think capital … I think capital punishment can actually increase your problems, not diminish them.
It says very clearly that some lives are worth nothing. In the US it’s part of a rather bleak, dog eat-dog culture that produced Enron, the Credit Crisis etc. the biggest wealth gap in the developed world and that demands narcissism.
I simply can’t … I simply can’t subscribe to your radical views that no crime no matter how reprehensible or repeated warrants the death penalty and that no method will every be humane enough.
I feel that some crimes are so vile and some people so dangerous that they need to be dealt with in a very final way. As to method, I think we have identified 3 thus far that if employed would cause me no lack of sleep for trying to find a better one. It’s not about violence, it’s about putting the violence to rest.
Claiming these … Claiming these methods are “painless” or “humane” is simply an attempt by the pro capital punishment lobby to dodge the fact that their philosophy espouses violence.
It’s pathetic. Some (such as Jay Chapman) have the decency to admit their indifference to the suffering of capital criminals, but not many.
Sorry – it’s the … Sorry – it’s the pro-capital punishment lobby who view the world as black and white, good and evil.
Only primary psychopaths could be viewed as incurably evil, and they’d only constitute 50% of capital criminals.
And the death penalty is about violence – an eye for an eye. Simple.
I’m absolutely for … I’m absolutely for capital punishment. It’s not about retribution, it’s about me wanting them gone. It’s an unfortunate reality that some people can’t be re-introduced into society. Lethal injection is as painless as possible probably, but that’s not the point here.
Morally, I have no issue putting to death someone with a basement full of bodies.
It’s not the black and white world you want to paint it with sanctimonious statements like you just made. Hurt? no.. gone? Yes.
I am absolutely … I am absolutely opposed to capital punishment, and I find the attempts by the pro-capital punishment lobby to hide their true intentions (i.e. to exact retribution by infliction of violence and pain) utterly reprehensible.
Claiming that various execution methods are painless is one such smoke screen.
Just admit it – it hurts and you want it to! Then we can have a debate about whether that attitude is morally right or not.
Your quite the … Your quite the dancer. You seem to decide what you will and will not use or admit to depending on how you can best sell your agenda. Contrary to how you paint this, no, folks don’t want to see them violently die, they just want to ensure they do. That is what the death penalty is about. do a web search for escaped killer(s) or murderers and you’ll quickly find a few poster children for the death penalty. It was clear that no death can be made humane enough for you… your just against it.
It might sound … It might sound strange but there was “execution snobbery”. The yanks used the electric chair because they were cowboys, and the russians used short drop hanging because they were barely human.
Churchill did want to use the chair for Hitler, though.
Execution is supposed to be violent and brutal, and debates about which method is humane don’t contribute to the real issue, which is ethical – they all have potential for botching and they probably all hurt, even lethal injection.
Hanging of Ruth Ellis from movie about Albert Pierrepoint – Britain’s most prolific hangman.
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Albert would be …
Albert would be spinning in his grave. He was a lot quicker than that.
Perhaps Pierrepoint …
Perhaps Pierrepoint looked just like that.
I know for sure most of the actress in this film playing the “hangees” looked nothing like the real murderesses.
I’m sure their …
I’m sure their poverty leads to plenty of depression, most of which probably goes untreated. I doubt they have much psychopathy though.
They don’t have (many) big corporations instilling them with a win at all costs grandeur delusion, you see.
Yeah, see you pal, I thought you’d be too narrow minded to draw a link between a culture espousing greed and a personality disorder characterised by greed.
Per ca pita, how …
Per ca pita, how much psychological help you think they have in India and Pakistan?
Due to your radical ideas regarding the death penalty we really have nothing further to discuss. Best of luck with your windmill joust.
Psychopathy is prob …
Psychopathy is prob. caused by complex interplay of genes (incl. epigenetics) and environment. US culture (& anglo-saxon culture in general) is macho, individualistic and brutal. I don’t see why the idea that such a culture could produce high. rates of a disorder characterised by extreme selfishness, violent/ unethical behaviours and prevalent in males should be so controversial.
Can’t comment on …
Can’t comment on swedish suicide rates, or what it may be attributable to. We’re talking about US prevalence of psychopathy and associated disorders, and the evidence is it’s higher in individualistic countries such as the US (and UK!) than in those with more communal cultures (e.g. far east).
No it’s an estimate …
No it’s an estimate but it’s based on obersvation. Other studies have shown a marked increase in narcissistic character traits in US college students since 1987.
You’re bringing up a generation whose entire raison d’etre is to ruthlessly consume, what do you expect to happen?
Look at reality TV, or the apprecntice – these effectively advertise the “benefits” of being a manipulative, self aggrandising creep.
I think you’re …
I think you’re deluding yourself. The US is a more violent society than other developed nations, with the possible exception of the UK, which is even more violent than the US if one excludes gun crime and murder. The UK has a very similar dog-eat dog culture – in fact we invented it and exported it to you.
Again, same as with …
Again, same as with your crime statistics, does that 4% actually represent an increase over other nations or does it represent a society that is good at finding them and getting them on the books so they can get some type of therapy or at least be tracked in some way.
Sweden has the highest suicide rate of any nation. If there was ever a key indicator of the hopelessness you describe it would be there yes? What’s their reported rate of mental illness? 4%? Higher? Lower?
Yup… I’m for real …
Yup… I’m for real. You look at the countries that are serious about law enforcement and you’ll quickly see that these types of crimes are close to if not exactly the same when measured against population. So saying “probably has” won’t cut it without hard numbers. If you look at the web page for the British judicial hangings you’ll see a whole string of serial killers from the early 1900’s.
So basically your argument carries no weight.
Look the US …
Look the US probably does have more violent crime than other developed countries.
It also has a higher incidence of psychopathy than some other countries – about 4% (or 12 million or so, so most aren’t in jail – they might be in the senate or a hedge fund).
This is not all explained by genetics. Americans are not different from other people.
Are you for real? …
Are you for real? So America’s crime rate is down to the fact that you catch the crims whereas all those other developed nation police forces either don’t or lie about it?
Actually what the …
Actually what the US is doing right is finding them where other countries simply deal with the fact that people “disappear”. No one just “disappears” inthe us. You don’t have some corrupt official simply telling the family that a person “left the country” when they are just another body under their brother in law’s house.
But again, this isn’t about “some creep”, it’s about some creep with a fridge full of heads.
Half of america …
Half of america thinks society = socialism, and by stringing these nobodies up you’re revocating your societal responsibility for creating these serial killers.
Hardly any American I’ve spoken to can fathom the idea that these people might be a product of their environment – it’s all the responsibility of the individual.
There’s more of these creeps in the US than anywhere else, so you must be doing something wrong.
“stop dancing?!” …
“stop dancing?!” Bernie Madoff is most likely a diagnosable psychopath, as was Jeff Skilling, Andy Fastow, Dick Fuld, Denis Koslowski, Sam Waksal and a load of others (George Bush? Dick Cheney?).
At one of your society you’re stringing these maladjusted creeps up, at the other your dog eat dog culture allows them to prosper, so long as they don’t (directly, at least) kill anyone.
It’s called having your cake and eating it.
Dregs with a …
Dregs with a basement full of bodies. Stop dancing and trying to make it sound like Bernie Madoff was responsible for the beltway sniper or Ted Bundy.
These people did what they did due to selfish motivation ant a total disregard for humanity.
Because of this, the vast majority of people want capital punishment to be an option.
Look at the people …
Look at the people who get the death sentence in the US – they’re invariably society’s dregs.
I think capital …
I think capital punishment can actually increase your problems, not diminish them.
It says very clearly that some lives are worth nothing. In the US it’s part of a rather bleak, dog eat-dog culture that produced Enron, the Credit Crisis etc. the biggest wealth gap in the developed world and that demands narcissism.
I simply can’t …
I simply can’t subscribe to your radical views that no crime no matter how reprehensible or repeated warrants the death penalty and that no method will every be humane enough.
I feel that some crimes are so vile and some people so dangerous that they need to be dealt with in a very final way. As to method, I think we have identified 3 thus far that if employed would cause me no lack of sleep for trying to find a better one. It’s not about violence, it’s about putting the violence to rest.
Claiming these …
Claiming these methods are “painless” or “humane” is simply an attempt by the pro capital punishment lobby to dodge the fact that their philosophy espouses violence.
It’s pathetic. Some (such as Jay Chapman) have the decency to admit their indifference to the suffering of capital criminals, but not many.
Sorry – it’s the …
Sorry – it’s the pro-capital punishment lobby who view the world as black and white, good and evil.
Only primary psychopaths could be viewed as incurably evil, and they’d only constitute 50% of capital criminals.
And the death penalty is about violence – an eye for an eye. Simple.
I’m absolutely for …
I’m absolutely for capital punishment. It’s not about retribution, it’s about me wanting them gone. It’s an unfortunate reality that some people can’t be re-introduced into society. Lethal injection is as painless as possible probably, but that’s not the point here.
Morally, I have no issue putting to death someone with a basement full of bodies.
It’s not the black and white world you want to paint it with sanctimonious statements like you just made. Hurt? no.. gone? Yes.
I am absolutely …
I am absolutely opposed to capital punishment, and I find the attempts by the pro-capital punishment lobby to hide their true intentions (i.e. to exact retribution by infliction of violence and pain) utterly reprehensible.
Claiming that various execution methods are painless is one such smoke screen.
Just admit it – it hurts and you want it to! Then we can have a debate about whether that attitude is morally right or not.
Your quite the …
Your quite the dancer. You seem to decide what you will and will not use or admit to depending on how you can best sell your agenda. Contrary to how you paint this, no, folks don’t want to see them violently die, they just want to ensure they do. That is what the death penalty is about. do a web search for escaped killer(s) or murderers and you’ll quickly find a few poster children for the death penalty. It was clear that no death can be made humane enough for you… your just against it.
It might sound …
It might sound strange but there was “execution snobbery”. The yanks used the electric chair because they were cowboys, and the russians used short drop hanging because they were barely human.
Churchill did want to use the chair for Hitler, though.
Execution is supposed to be violent and brutal, and debates about which method is humane don’t contribute to the real issue, which is ethical – they all have potential for botching and they probably all hurt, even lethal injection.
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